tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3028232304290147397.post4135404985161480799..comments2023-10-16T11:08:08.715+01:00Comments on Free People of England: Will a Yes or No vote on AV make a PR referendum more or less likely? Answer from the horses mouth!Bloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10605617930455114746noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3028232304290147397.post-33813182538061154282010-10-18T10:42:14.027+01:002010-10-18T10:42:14.027+01:00I think part of the importance of the AV referendu...I think part of the importance of the AV referendum is shaking up the status quo. Even if it does not have a major effect in the next election due to (e.g. the Lib Dems losing support which is a possibility), eventually (or even sooner), it will provide a more diverse commons which is then more likely to support further reform to PR.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3028232304290147397.post-87678076022225463912010-10-08T17:55:45.349+01:002010-10-08T17:55:45.349+01:00>I think a win for the yes camp will make it mo...>I think a win for the yes camp will make it more likely that we manage to get PR. A no vote will stuff it for good.<br /><br />I think you are right - but not because of what the PM thinks.<br /><br />With AV I think you'd see 1st preference votes of Greens=10%, UKIP=15% etc and no seats for them at all.<br /><br />In this situation,with maybe 30% of first preference votes for parties entirely unrepresented, the demand for further reform (probably PR) would be overwhelming.<br /><br />Note: Caroline Lucas, the Greens sole MP got in on about 30% of the (FPTP) vote. Her support for AV is very brave and honourable.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10605617930455114746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3028232304290147397.post-18451355568939680482010-10-08T17:44:24.636+01:002010-10-08T17:44:24.636+01:00Also 'Many pro-PR people are are citing this a...Also 'Many pro-PR people are are citing this argument as a reason to vote No To AV'<br /><br />TBP polled all people on their books. Of those that came back over 80% said they should focus on AV. I'm guessing that means even some of the 20% would be backing the reform which does only leave a minority that wouldn'tDave Thawleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00398594791247047837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3028232304290147397.post-40447595818884105492010-10-08T17:37:00.429+01:002010-10-08T17:37:00.429+01:00I think a win for the yes camp will make it more l...I think a win for the yes camp will make it more likely that we manage to get PR. A no vote will stuff it for good.<br /><br />Also, your assumption that AV is no more proportional than FPTP is wrong. AV like FPTP is not Proportional but to assess the proportionality we need to look at the environment. It is currently believed that AV could be slightly more proportional in some instances that FPTP which is a bonus. Under other situations (where a party would have a vast majority under FPTP) AV may be a little bit less proportional. My personal view is that went it is a little less proportional it does'nt really matter because both AV and FPTP would have produced a very strong government. When it is more proportional there is a distinct advantage. FPTP. the biggest advantages of AV though are it is fairer - everyone vote counts unlike FPTP when a lot of votes don't count. It also means MPs will have to work harder for us, they can't rely on a strong minority so they will have to try and appeal to the majority. The electorate can also vote out MPs who they don't like. Brilliant all aroundDave Thawleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00398594791247047837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3028232304290147397.post-80852542542218600042010-10-08T17:03:50.211+01:002010-10-08T17:03:50.211+01:00Many pro-PR people are are citing this argument as...Many pro-PR people are are citing this argument as a reason to vote No To AV.<br /><br />So I am just chipping away at the No To AV 'fear uncertainty and doubt' lines of argument.<br /><br />I expect any answer to be 'it will not change the likelihood of a referendum on PR'.<br /><br />Then chip away at the next argument they raise...Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10605617930455114746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3028232304290147397.post-52620579199627280372010-10-08T16:56:13.886+01:002010-10-08T16:56:13.886+01:00There won't be another referendum on this in o...There won't be another referendum on this in our lifetime, look how long it took them to get round to this one!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3028232304290147397.post-76804746592385381132010-10-08T16:03:52.873+01:002010-10-08T16:03:52.873+01:00The answer will be: regardless of the outcome, the...The answer will be: regardless of the outcome, there won't be another referendum in this Parliament.<br /><br />I'm not sure how far this gets us.Duncan Stotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03130729454177705599noreply@blogger.com