Wednesday, 14 August 2013

The cyclists road tax/vehicle excise duty/emissions lie.

Its become fashionable for the anti-motor lobby to say that the additional money paid to the government for a tax disk does not pay for roads, that roads are paid for out of general taxation. that the tax paid for your tax disk is to pay for the emissions of your vehicle.

1) People who tax their cars do so because they want to use roads. If they don't want to use roads they would not have a car and would not tax it.

2) Road Tax is not based on the emissions of your car - it is the same whether you run your car 24/7 creating maximum emissions or never run your car creating zero emissions.

3) Even the bike-nuts say that Vehicle Excise Duty (which they say is not a tax) goes into the central pot of 'general taxation'. How can anything that is not a tax go into the governments 'general taxation' pot? It can't - this bike-nut claim is nuts.

So in summary, car owners pay road-tax/VED because they want access to roads, that money is taken by the government in a pot which is used to pay for roads.

What morons gave Kaya Burgess an award for coming up with his crap? Sheesh.

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  2. TLDR - But the first bit - you admit it has nothing to do with actual emissions. That means I am right, not wrong.

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  3. "anti-motor lobby"
    No such thing. You're confusing those who would like less cars (for many complex reasons) with people who want no cars. The latter does not exist.

    "1) People who tax their cars do so because they want to use roads. If they don't want to use roads they would not have a car and would not tax it"

    that's a pretty big assumption - some don't have a choice, some choose to buy large cars when they could by small, and some choose hybrids and pay £0.


    "2) Road Tax is not based on the emissions of your car - it is the same whether you run your car 24/7 creating maximum emissions or never run your car creating zero emissions."

    Road tax is exactly that, its based 100% based on emissions. If emissions actually have anything to do with anything is open to your personal opinion, but there is no doubt it is based on emissions.

    As for the idea that you can run your car 24/7. Of course you can, and you would pay the fuel tax todo so. So by all means go ahead.


    "3) Even the bike-nuts say that Vehicle Excise Duty (which they say is not a tax) goes into the central pot of 'general taxation'. How can anything that is not a tax go into the governments 'general taxation' pot? It can't - this bike-nut claim is nuts."

    Im not sure what point you're making. Is it a tax? - No. Is it a duty? - yes. Like all kinds of things (from driving fines to stamp and vat "duty" it all mostly ends up in the same pot - which in turn pays for everything from schools to roads.

    If by pointing out facts (backed up by the HMRC) makes me a "bike-nut" and not someone who can understand basic principles of tax collection and redistribution i will never know.


    "So in summary, car owners pay road-tax/VED because they want access to roads"

    Well....all apart from hybrid cars, electric cars, low emission cars, some oaps, some blue badge holders, vintage cars...apart from those you're 100% right.

    "that money is taken by the government in a pot which is used to pay for roads"

    No one says otherwise. What people point out (correctly too) is that many different taxes contribute to the road. Best example would be counsel tax, which btw is an actual tax that can and does contribute directly towards the roads via counsel funding. Business rates too work in much the same way.

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    1. Green party policy is to abolish private cars. So you are wrong, there *is* an anti-car lobby and the Green party are part of it (even if many of their supporters are too stupid to have read their manifesto...).

      I may have generalised so am only talking about 99% of car owners not 100% - that doesn't mean the 1% make any difference of any substance to what I have said.

      You also push the fatally flawed line of justifying road tax because it is based on emissions - but then say that taxes are pooled and not spent on anything in particular... if not spent on anything in particular, what basis is there for supporting them based on (potential?) emissions?

      You simply can't have it both ways AND pretend to be rationasl.

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    1. If you blindly accept the definitions the government present you with - fine, but I suggest you don't boast about it.

      People want to travel, cars a good way of doing so, they pay road tax so they can use their cars on the road.

      Pretending that they are paying for some other reason is just nonsense... Ask anyone why they agree to pay the tax... Go on... go wild and hear the (blindingly obvious) truth.

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  7. Dear TheAntiKeithPeat - if you think you can 'play the man' rather than the ball on someones own blog, you are more retarded than you now deleted comments suggest.

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